Is 12-21-12 The Next Y2K? Why I Am NOT a 2012'er!

Hello, welcome to Barf Stew (BS) - if this is your first time here - look around after you finish this post - as I have a ton of great content for you already (I'm on post 50 or so here.).

Now, as you can see from the title of this post - the post is about the on-going fascination with 2012 - specifically, the big date of 12-21-12. And, I'll be the first to admit, that is a cool looking date alright - even has a symmetry to it and such. Additionally, as you know, it has a lot of believers too that think (hope) something is going to happen on THAT DAY - based on a lot of BS by believers in a Mayan calendar and various prophecies. Eventually, a lot of this gets tied into those folks who feel crystals, & incense and peppermints (sorry if the joke escapes you) are the way to the new life or reality that may break thru or break out on that day.

Others, of course, think the world will end, for good, that day. Or, will end for worse that day - believe what you will. Or, that the saviour will return on that day. (I think I've even read about magnetic reversal on that day and asteroid elimination on that day.) And, Hollywood and the internet, add to the fodder daily and yearly as to what extremes to expect. ------------- Can the movie 12-22-12 be far off; or, 2013?

Now, as you might be aware - I have a number of blogs that represent my interests - including politics on one blog, esoteric thought on another blog, and UFO's on yet a third (I even have a fourth and fifth but not involved in this post). And, on my UFO blog yesterday - I had a person leave a particular comment that spurred this post and a tangential connection to `the whole 2012 thing'. --- But, back to the readers comment. The reader listed a number of things, internet fodder, as reasons that the US government doesn't disclose the alien presence on Earth.

This is his listing:

1. They cabal have their on UFOs2. That they have had them since World War 2.3. That the Government signed agreements with the Aliens.4. This agreement allowed aliens to abduct and conduct experiments on citizens.5. They have been travelling in space for years and NASA is just a smokescreen.6. They have already got bases on Mars.7. There already exists large space stations.8. The US shares underground bases with aliens.9. Time travel has existed at least since the 1960s10. Our very existence is due to intelligent design by Aliens.11. This leads to deceit by the Churches through manipulating the books of the Bible by removing anything referring to UFOs / Aliens or Angels that visited that way. eg Book of Enoch.12. Nibiru would have to be openly revealed.13. Suppressed technology. Free energy. This is a story in itself when the governments know it exists, but are using global warming as an excuse to tax and suppress us even more.14. Not just global warming, it is planetary warming as has been well proven. How can we mere earthlings affect the planets in the solar system by carbon emmissions?I could go on, but the governments of this world are in so deep with their lies that there would be riots worldwide due to angry citizens demanding answers.

To which - I wanted to respond with `odds' IMO, of each point having real validness or just a bunch of BS - Barf Stew.

Point One - Now, I did not clean up any of my readers post - but - I assume what is being said here is that the USA has `UFO's' - as does other world governments - either by back-engineering crashed UFO's, being `given' the info by aliens in some exchange, or figuring it out themselves. ----- Frankly, this may be one of my readers best points and I give it at least a 25-40% chance of being right. (As you know, they either do or don't, a 0% chance or a 100% chance.) I put it at that somewhat higher level due to the huge black budget - off budget - dollars that have been spent by our military over the course of decades. One would think that the thinktanks may have been able to figure out `gravitational flight' with the best brains and computers - especially knowing the potential advantage it could bring the first to figure such information out. And, we also have Bob Lazar's statements. And the Bigelow/NIDS findings/statements about the black triangle craft. ---------- Frankly, having UFO's should be a source of pride if true - shame the lies of our government might be so deep as to keep this away - perhaps forever. EVEN if there was `ufo' disclosure.

Point two - Frankly, I think this is BS - Barf Stew with less than a 1% chance of being true. That said, maybe by the 1980's or so.......... who knows.

Point three - To me, this is REALLY buying deep into the conspiracy theories out on the internet - I simply don't believe it. Hogwash, rubbish, Barf Stew. Less than 1% chance.

Point four - Less than 1% chance that alien/human abductions have been allowed via some signed agreement.

Point five - This tackles the SERPO movement contentions - something supposedly kept secret for decade upon decade - until the internet. Again, I simply do not believe it could be kept a secret and find the internet a great new way to write grade B fiction. Less than 1% chance. ------ That said, even IF the USA has crafts that `defy gravity' -- I doubt that they are interstellar or even moon capable.

Point six - More SERPO Barf Stew - <1%>

Point seven - Who knows; for what purpose? <1%>

Point eight - <1%>

Point nine - 0% chance. That said, influence outside of the timecone seems certain.

Point ten - Finally, one I can believe in - to a small degree at the minimum. Yes, I think that it is at least a 5% chance that this is true. Would they wait around 6-8 million years to see if we became better off than the apes?

Point eleven - HMM. This is a new one even to me. So, the Church's have removed UFO references? ------- HMM. ------------ HMM. --------- <>

Point twelve - Nibiru? PLEAAAAASSSSSEEEEEE! 0% chance.

Point 13 - First, this may not have anything to do with aliens - even if true. I'd say at least a 50% chance that some better uses of energy have been `deferred' to maintain our gas based world. Free energy sounds a lot like - perpetual motion. ALL that said, I would NOT be surprised to see huge breakthru's in this regard.

Point 14 - You say "angry citizens - demanding answers' - if disclosure. Here, I guess we agree as IMO the 18% who still trust that the government is honest in ANY regard - WILL be p.o'd - to say the least. That said, governments could care less if `citizens demand answers'. You must be a younger person than I.

So, finally, how does this ALL tie back to belief in 2012 being some turning point in human history?

To me, it's the willingness to believe in things with less than a one percent chance and then to tie all those same things together into some scenario. And, just like the fears and interests around Y2K (I wonder if there will be a Y10K when the number of digits in the years after Christ hit 5 (10,000 AD) instead of 4 digits.) - I'm pretty sure that - this too shall pass. And, it's why I'm NOT a 2012'er!

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Value of White House Drops by More Than $15 Million

132 rooms and 55,000 square feet with an underground bunker - now, before you read this link - how much do you think The White House is worth? http://www.cnbc.com/id/34956652 Near as I can tell - Barf Stew.

Do you feel like doing some investigating? Here's a link to a post of which many follow (just page thru the blog) about a `situation' uncovered by a blogger about a UFO writer that is more than interesting and involves those ugly things called lawyers - http://jratcliffscarab.blogspot.com/2010/01/amazingly-prolific-maximillien-de.html - nearly total Barf - be careful.

http://www.openminds.tv/hillary-clintons-et-book-discovered/ Here's a real interesting picture that Hillary Clinton I'm sure was not happy to see dug up. Seems she is taking a stroll and holding an UFO book - find out more about which one. Stewable.

http://acidcow.com/pics/4370-amazing-insect-images-by-igor-iwanowicz-60-pics.html You say you want trippy 1000 times magnification upclose pictures of insects to blow your mind? Sure. Stewable.

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Item 2.56: Does U. S. Official UFO Secrecy Constitute the Ultimate Form of "Foreign Counterintelligence"? (See Items 2.6, 2.9, 2.10, 2.31, 2.32, and their Follow-ups) - http://ufoview.posterous.com/item-256-does-u-s-official-ufo-secrecy-consti Here's a bloggers post about requesting UFO info from the government -- you will love it. Barfffffffff Stewwwwwwww.

LINDSAY SELBY : Lone hunters of the last living dinosaur - http://forteanzoology.blogspot.com/2009/12/lindsay-selby-lone-hunters-of-last.html This great link talks of two less mentioned visits into the Congo to look for the final dinosaur. Find out the animal the local natives identify as a `dinosaur'. Barf Stew for sure.

Huge UFO Spotted in Cleburne, Texas - http://www.theufochronicles.com/2009/12/breaking-ufo-report-huge-ufo-spotted-in.html - Here's a great first person account of a low flying UFO. Stewable.

And, how about a UFO Cow Abduction from 1983 to bubble that barf up - enjoy.


I do this nearly daily too at www.squidoo.com/anomalyman.

In Response To Joe Capp's - `The Politics Of Aliens'

Hello, welcome to Barf Stew - a new blog that is a mix of all kinds of steamy subjects - that I offer my stewed opinion about. And, in that regard, yesterday I found on the blogroll of http://aliencasebookfringe.blogspot.com/ (my UFO blog is on that roll) a hour old post of Joe Capp titled `The Politics Of Aliens'. Now, since I run the UDCC (UFO Disclosure Countdown Clock) blog and often speculate or offer my opinions on a variety of UFO `political' issues (as disclosure of alien life or UFO's is indeed political - and I covered it Oct. 4th on my politics blog http://realheavypolitics.blogspot.com/2009/10/real-heavy-politics-of-american-ufo.html with a different take than Joe) - Joe's article caught my eye and click (http://ufomedia.blogspot.com/2010/01/politics-of-aliens.html) - it is worth the read and has a number of intriguing ideas and speculations on which I'd like to comment.

First off, this is NOT a post that will rip Joe in any way - as I said, his is a thought provoking article IMO. Anyway, it's all a matter of opinions, barf stew really - for both of us. That said, Joe, like myself, has seen a `solid' UFO at close range and indeed it has affected both of us. As anyone who has seen these crafts close up - one knows the realness at some level (that said, I have no idea who was driving this craft in the sky or if no one was in the craft). Joe also is a member of MUFON and I am not - just to disclose that information. Joe is also a big believer and supporter of witnesses to UFO's - and while I do too - my real basis for thinking about most anomalous events is based on phenomenology - of which perception enters into `the description'.

Now, all that said, ---- and it matters only somewhat - as Joe's ideas are SO big - as are his questions - about what human reality would be like after/if aliens became part of our daily life. So, without further ado - here's my take on his post.

Joe's first opinion - one on disclosure - is that the government hides the alien presence because it would be a form of `relinquishing power'. Interestingly, just two days ago in the comments of UDCC - this was the first point raised by one of my readers, and, in my response, I agreed that `giving up power' was not in the power structures interest. Joe, however, is going to expound on this idea greatly - as he is talking about relinquishing power in more ways than one.

That said, I really don't think this is the pervasive reason for the hiding of alien information and is only a part of the real concern of governments in power (if the whole alien issue is in any way a security issue, as the reported alien involvement at nuke facilities would suggest, then the security issue is obviously number one) - as I think the politicians in power at a nation level - are so full of themselves - to not even see a big danger to their power. Especially from the common folk. So, as far as `standing out' as a reason - I'd have to slightly disagree.
Joe then next makes the point that he is NOT talking about ET's taking over (agreed, as IMO, if they wanted this planet and they are Superior in technology - then - most likely that would have happened a long time ago if they wished to govern us sheeple) the planet. But then again, it is also possible that even with advanced technology, that they simply don't have enough `manpower' or resources to control a planets human population or military's.

Joe then speculates in his post that aliens would be Superior in many ways - such as politically, ethically, and culturally, - and that humans would mentally compare `our human system' to the alien beliefs and actions - all ideas that are plausible. ---- However, here's my take (or barf stew) on `how much' INFLUENCE aliens would have on human conditions: in my view, it is totally dependent on HOW MUCH interacting the aliens would do.

A government, like ours, that simply said there were aliens who have visited and may be visiting Earth - while DENYING direct government contact at any political or super government world level - would NOT - IMO - be subject to any significant damage to the worlds main interactions between people or countries - or to their own power structures. Indeed, (and perhaps unrelated) it's my conjecture that `the physical number count' of `aliens' in their observation of Earth in crafts/vehicles - is most likely a limited number.

Especially when one considers that the most likely `explorers' of the physical universe, if the light-cone is not transverable, - are conscious/intelligent machines - as compared to `beings'.

IMO, even if 1,000 `advanced' beings - even if it were just ONE extraterrestrial species - landed and interacted with the humans of all levels on the planet (or went into the mind of) - it would be pretty hard to change our overall `humanness or beliefs'. And, I, again just an opinion - find it hard to believe that 1000's of physical real aliens are in our skies. To me, Hundreds to Zero aliens in our skies - as a number count - makes the most sense.

All that said, if an aspect of `aliens' involves `multi-dimensionalism' (transversing outside of the time-cone - ie:coming thru portals) --- and IF `those type of aliens' were suddenly coming to Earth - in some real time fashion and coming as `advanced beings' --- yes, I'm literally thinking of some CNN type of `materialization' for interviews and such - THEN, I think that Joe is indeed correct about the possible influence of aliens on our culture.

So, ultimately, it may depend on `what type' of `alien' - hyper-dimensional or `regular' `tool around the galaxy craft type of aliens' - that matters.

If aliens, who wanted to interact with humans for control at the world news level are multi-dimensional; they will be viewed as nearly gods and could have significant influence. But, `simple phenomenological aliens' would need to have huge numbers to have a similar influence. I truly don't believe that if we suddenly on Earth `captured' an alien - or if one landed for a limited time to interact and answer the peoples questions - that it would be anything more than a one month media event and perhaps as short as a couple weeks (as I blogged about here before about purposeful alien disclosure by sitting crafts over major cities http://theheavystuff.com/?p=68)



"the media, by the second day - would be mixing in `how life goes on’. The media would be interviewing truckers and asking them why they are working still (and others like cops or nurses) - and the answer would be that `life goes on’.
THIS `Life Goes On’ - would nearly become a mantra within 72 hours.
Sure, some humans would immediately go into their church’s the first day or days. But, few would remain there - as the bonding outside the church would probably be as meaningful. The bonding as earthlings, as humans, living their life — would move into the forefront.
It would be an emotional bomb for perhaps two weeks - max. Most, if not nearly all folks would return to `their work’ - most without missing a day even. The adrenaline would be nearly out of our systems.
Normal, negative emotions would return. The government, would still `have enemies’ and would still need conventional weapons (and more). Hunger in the world will still go on with no new determination to help our fellow man or overcome the human politics. A new nobility will not be the new norm for world politics.
And, slowly, it would creep into all of our consciousnesses - nothing has really changed.


Now, granted, aliens walking around the planet and interacting is different than sitting in the skies to prove a point. But, again, I would maintain that fear of losing their grip on power is not the reason for hiding the presence of aliens from the worlds populous. And, I think the fear of the end of capitalism, (Joe's thoughts on the best system as of now, despite seemingly heading for disaster with overpopulation and diminishing resources), - is also NOT a reason that governments hide the truth.

Next, Joe gets into various `attributes' and characteristics that aliens might have and that those characteristics might have some appeal to humans - `hivelike' minds being one. And Joe may have been pulling our collective legs to say that humans in power may emulate ET's by being militarylike and squashing individual rights - but - to me - that is already the case. (I also don't believe `ethics' had anything to do with leaving the alien dead bodies at Roswell - as I think Joe was just pushing the envelope on that one.)

Then Mr. Capp hits an inside the park homer on his talk about the appearance of possible ET's and what if they were like the "beautiful; similar to the Nordics, as so often reported." and "How would we react to a species that could literally design it's member including their IQs.? Wouldn't some in our species want a child which has a great IQ and looks beautiful? ......."Suppose they had Robots or specially designed bioengineered helpers to do the hard work, and this left the majority of the population of the species to peruse art and science with their highly intelligent modified brains. What would happen if this was offered to the public, including a way to increase everyone's IQ?"..."If appearance could be modified into beauty only dreamt of, wouldn't there be a line of humans around the world waiting to be changed?"...."Let's take a look at the psychological makeup of these possible aliens. Would their emotional makeup be modified to feel a certain way, like say… good? Wouldn't a species, if they could, modify any negative feelings that may interfere with their pursuits… a type of technological happy pill? How many people would jump on that band wagon?"

Ok, I'll admit it -- Joe is right and all of my above opinions are probably nothing more than Barf Stew. IF indeed, the aliens are ONLY Nordic type, all thoughtful, all powerful (mind reading etc) - than appearance may overrule or undermine our government authorities. The illusion of `goodness/beauty/wisdom' is very strong to the human form. 1000 of these type beings could indeed challenge the world belief system.

I don't think that is the case however if they are 3.5 feet tall, or, look like a reptile.

Joe, then ends with his best point about this hypothetical alien "A world of one species united will challenge earth's nationalism in the public's eyes, especially when placed in contrast to another intelligent species success story. To which I will offer this final opinion on Joe's thought provoking post - Indeed, if a Godlike race of other worldly beings - with all the attributes mankind desires - including beauty, intelligence and emotional balance comes to Earth and announces itself - it would change the worldview and is reason the government may be hiding the ET presence.


But, if the human observations are even remotely correct - by all the tens of thousands of observers of anomalous events (like Joe and I) - then we would seem to know that the crafts and entities come in all shapes and sizes and descriptions. And, that the whole phenomena of high strangeness, and, UFO's and entities, has boundaries well beyond any concerted effort by a single ONE species trying to `raise up' humankind to another higher level.

No, to me, IMO, it's much more likely that the governments don't say more about the `Fortean Phenomena' because it is a HUGE array of `types of spaces' only one of which includes `E.T.'s' that are here for the betterment of mankind.

Indeed, even at the physical level of `beings and crafts' - it is more likely IMO that multiple species are following us and our development than one species. It is also, IMO, more likely that we are studied `in a scientific `hands-off' manner' than by alien anthropologists wishing to interact with us and convert us. (I am NOT talking about multi-dimensional beings here - they indeed - on a subjective level of space - may indeed wish to evolve humankind. In other posts on my blog The Heavy Stuff I've speculated about `types' of entities.)

Finally, Joe takes one parting shot at all of our minds by challenging our thoughts with `what if the aliens were atheist'? (And how that would affect official religion.) ---- To which I'd add these `what if' questions --- what if the E.T's said ONE particular religion was `right' -- or that there were TWO or MORE Gods?

I thank Joe for stimulating thoughts about the possible culture of aliens.

Please make sure to read Joe's full post http://ufomedia.blogspot.com/2010/01/politics-of-aliens.html

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Religious Sightings Of The Decade

As the article states `Objects as diverse as the base of an iron, a toilet door, a restaurant griddle and the surface of the planet Mars were claimed to boast depictions of a spiritual nature.' with some great pictures too. http://news.uk.msn.com/odd-news/photos/photos.aspx?cp-documentid=150370108


And, talking of pictures http://www.lifeinitaly.com/files/linea_2.jpg - another virtual hottie. PG rated. Part of the Barf Stew Mix.


The Closet Door and the Reptilian - Long Island 1968 - http://endlessjrny.blogspot.com/2009/12/only-13-days-till-christmas-are-you.html One helluva high strangeness entity story. Captivating. BS worthy.

The ultimate in Barf Stew - watch out for this one - http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/afee6/what_was_the_most_fucked_up_thing_that_you_ever/
Adult language and situations.

http://www.futurizon.net/2009/12/population-growth-and-ethnic-mix.html `In reality, the 2030 enterprise will be staffed almost entirely by AIs and robots, the human crew will almost all be people of Asian, African and South American descent, and there will hardly be a white face in sight. As Spock would say, fascinating.' - What trends suggest.

UFO experts: Shock, panic possible when official disclosure made! - http://www.ufodigest.com/news/1209/ufo-experts.php Let us finish up today with a thoughtful article about UFO Disclosure. Four minute read.